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Obama: Finest Orator/President in History?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:33 AM EST
us-news, obama, washington, senate, house, state-of-the-union
By Jensen-576947

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Most of us, reading the above, would grab a History Book; quickly thumb through, and point definitely  to Washington, Roosevelt, Lincoln, or Kennedy.  Of course, anyone truly great, has to come from  the past, or do they?  We may be witnessing history, and never know it.  Lincoln was not popular at all, during his time.  His views were totally out of the mainstream, especially for being a conservative.  Kennedy barely won his Presidential bid, and was considered elitist and far too liberal for America.  Some referred to the Kennedy's as Royalty, aka Camelot.  

Most historians, would probably give the nod to Lincoln, because he presided over the most awkward moment in our nation, the Civil War.  Literally, a war of ideals, brother against brother, father against child, the country was actually torn in half; but that was 150 years ago. 

Obama is the Civil War incarnate.  The child of an African immigrant and the second generation child of loyal white grandparents who were in Patton's Army and war factory workers.  He represents great African heritage and great Colonial White American heritage. The ideal Neo American first generation.  Even the legitimacy of his birth is questioned, so be it, an ideal bastard child/King son of a Black African. 

Jaded eyes, can hardly behold the sight.  Gall and vinegar are in order for the Supremacists.  No one ever dreamed that they would behold the Gettysburg Address on two legs, and the Ghost of the Civil War be so eloquent.  

So, have we seen and heard the best this nation could produce for the moment, only History knows for sure, but we still might be witnesses to it.

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Jensen-576947

State your opinion, for or against.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:49 AM EST
Ms CYPRAH

Without a doubt, he is in a class of his own with the speeches!! :o)

A very inspiring man!

  • 4 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:09 AM EST
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Matt Rock

Surely, he's a great orator. Anyone who would deny that fact is in an almost painful state of denial. The greatest, though? I definitely couldn't agree with that. I'm only 32, so the breadth of the phrase "in my lifetime" doesn't have many Presidents to pick from. I think Reagan was highly overrated, and even amongst Democrats, Jimmy Carter was severely underrated. But if you'd allow me to go back a bit further than my own time here, I'd say JFK was far and away the greatest orator the Presidency has ever known.

I'm sure Reagan fans will beg to differ, but I can make a case in point. When I was a young kid, growing up in the 80's, I only cared about politics as far as my parents made me care. Not many children pay attention to that sort of stuff. My impression of Reagan when I was a kid was that he was the sort of older person who seems nice, but the minute you jump on the couch, the evil comes out.

But something else happened when I was a kid: I heard President Kennedy's Moon speech, and it lit a fire for me. I actually went to the library not long after that and took out a book about him, which my parents had to translate into childese for me, lol.

President Obama does the same thing to children. Anyone whose spoken with a kid in the past few years will tell you that. Children love President Obama, and I think it's partially due to the same thing that made me a Kennedy fan as a young kid. The guy can really get the passion moving.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:26 AM EST
Jensen-576947

Thoughtful comment, I actually went to DC in the summer of 1963, as an Honor Student, but something came up that the dinner with JFK was cancelled, still devastated. Was in US History, just before noon, when the announcement came on. Watched history unfold on TV, school was canceled. Witnessed, as did millions, Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald. Man, as a teen, that was burned into my brain, you have no idea. Kennedy was so great, the Cuba Missile Crisis proved it (do research it, please.) But Kennedy was a wounded Veteran (PT 109) on heavy meds (back). The only thing I can add, the Presidency was all he could handle (also, a womanizer). Obama, is bigger than the Presidency, he is a model parent, b baller, prankster, singer??, and has an IQ of 170.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:55 AM EST
Emmadadog

I am not as eloquent as you Jensen, or Matt Rock, but, I think Obama is one of the great orators and will go down in history as such.

When he is in his stride, when he is on target, there is not one living politician, pundit or preacher that can equal him.

IMHO I think this magic he produces with his words and voice is what lost Hilary the nomination. I have wondered many times if he really believes what he says. But in the end, it really doesn't matter does it? He sounds and acts like he does and that's what will win him the second term. His voice and words give each individual listener the impression that he is talking only to them, that he fighting only for them, that he cares about them, that he knows what they are going through, individually and collectively. It's a rare gift indeed. Obama obviously cherishes it.

  • 3 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:39 AM EST
digcreation

he's an excellent orator, but I wont give him best in show.

clinton was actually more eloquent and persuasive.

and reagan was far more inspiring.

Eisenhower could give a speech. and Teddy Roosevelt was know for his barn burners.

but Obama is definitely up there.

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:42 AM EST
Spike Evans

I'm with you. Obama IS a fantastic speaker, but Bill Clinton could weave a soaring speech and make a believer out of a staunch conservative even if only for the briefest moment. My only complaint about Obama's orating style is that he seems to swivel his head from the right and to the left and doesn't seem to speak straight ahead. I don't know why that bothers me. He does speak straight ahead if there is not an audience, like when he has spoken from the Oval Office or the night he announced the death of Osama. I just think he could be more effective if he gave a little more time speaking "forwardly" instead of seemingly having his head pointed to either side.

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:50 AM EST
digcreation

I noticed this before too. If you watch, the head movements are juxtaposed to his hand gestures.

first one hand as he describes the problem, then the other hand as he dismisses an objection, then two hands slightly forward as he says why its important, and then two hands slightly higher up and more apart as he describes his solution. The head moves opposite the hands in the first two steps and then straightens up for the final impact.

He is a very methodical man.

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:08 AM EST
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blindsided-1194485

Lincoln was the best. In my lifetime, Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton were the best orators. Obama is in their league.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:42 AM EST
caballojoe

I enjoyed listening to Washington.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:33 AM EST
blindsided-1194485

: )

  • 2 votes
#7.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:36 AM EST
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arkpdx

BO is a good reader. Take away his teleprompter and script and he gets a severe case of foot in mouth disease. He gives a good speech when he is prepared but off the cuff he is list and clueless.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:10 AM EST
sambonner

No question Obama is a very good good speechifier.

Abraham Lincoln wrote his own speeches, they exist in handwritten form. In the middle of the 19th century the written word was king. There was no mass media and no large audience ever saw Lincoln live. He made a number of speeches, including some parts of the Lincoln Douglas debates, that are still in current history books, due to the power and magnificence of the language. There is little chance that any of Obama's fine, but somewhat generic in prose , speeches will fall into that category.

As for he was the greatest President, it was Lincoln also. He had by far the most difficult job of any President in history.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:18 AM EST
caballojoe

Hey, Sam. How about the speech that Lincoln gave at Coopers Union in New York? I think that is one of the finest examples of oratory in history. Not just the speech, but his reasoning, were spectacular. He was looked upon as kind of a hick coming up from Illinois to address a New York crowd, but he soon had them eating out of his hand. Check it out, everybody. Thanks, Sam.

  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:50 AM EST
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Jensen-576947

Very interesting comments, thank you for sharing. I wasn't around to hear Washington; have heard Roosevelt on stored media, very impressive; have read Lincoln, wow, he had an estimated IQ of about 170; Reagan was a professional actor, and was very used to scripting; Kennedy was the real deal for sure--but he was the son of a US Ambassador, had traveled and lived in other countries, was given the finest of everything including education, and last of all (and not mentioned much) he was a true blue patriot; War hero and a Disabled Veteran, who had personally saved many lives: that is pretty hard to upstage, me thinks.

  • 3 votes
Reply#10 - Wed Jan 25, 2012 4:22 PM EST
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